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alcibiades i-第4章

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therefore here present myself before you; and I greatly hope that no

similar hindrance will again occur。  Meanwhile; I have observed that your

pride has been too much for the pride of your admirers; they were numerous

and high…spirited; but they have all run away; overpowered by your superior

force of character; not one of them remains。  And I want you to understand

the reason why you have been too much for them。  You think that you have no

need of them or of any other man; for you have great possessions and lack

nothing; beginning with the body; and ending with the soul。  In the first

place; you say to yourself that you are the fairest and tallest of the

citizens; and this every one who has eyes may see to be true; in the second

place; that you are among the noblest of them; highly connected both on the

father's and the mother's side; and sprung from one of the most

distinguished families in your own state; which is the greatest in Hellas;

and having many friends and kinsmen of the best sort; who can assist you

when in need; and there is one potent relative; who is more to you than all

the rest; Pericles the son of Xanthippus; whom your father left guardian of

you; and of your brother; and who can do as he pleases not only in this

city; but in all Hellas; and among many and mighty barbarous nations。 

Moreover; you are rich; but I must say that you value yourself least of all

upon your possessions。  And all these things have lifted you up; you have

overcome your lovers; and they have acknowledged that you were too much for

them。  Have you not remarked their absence?  And now I know that you wonder

why I; unlike the rest of them; have not gone away; and what can be my

motive in remaining。



ALCIBIADES:  Perhaps; Socrates; you are not aware that I was just going to

ask you the very same questionWhat do you want?  And what is your motive

in annoying me; and always; wherever I am; making a point of coming? 

(Compare Symp。)  I do really wonder what you mean; and should greatly like

to know。



SOCRATES:  Then if; as you say; you desire to know; I suppose that you will

be willing to hear; and I may consider myself to be speaking to an auditor

who will remain; and will not run away?



ALCIBIADES:  Certainly; let me hear。



SOCRATES:  You had better be careful; for I may very likely be as unwilling

to end as I have hitherto been to begin。



ALCIBIADES:  Proceed; my good man; and I will listen。



SOCRATES:  I will proceed; and; although no lover likes to speak with one

who has no feeling of love in him (compare Symp。); I will make an effort;

and tell you what I meant:  My love; Alcibiades; which I hardly like to

confess; would long ago have passed away; as I flatter myself; if I saw you

loving your good things; or thinking that you ought to pass life in the

enjoyment of them。  But I shall reveal other thoughts of yours; which you

keep to yourself; whereby you will know that I have always had my eye on

you。  Suppose that at this moment some God came to you and said: 

Alcibiades; will you live as you are; or die in an instant if you are

forbidden to make any further acquisition?I verily believe that you would

choose death。  And I will tell you the hope in which you are at present

living:  Before many days have elapsed; you think that you will come before

the Athenian assembly; and will prove to them that you are more worthy of

honour than Pericles; or any other man that ever lived; and having proved

this; you will have the greatest power in the state。  When you have gained

the greatest power among us; you will go on to other Hellenic states; and

not only to Hellenes; but to all the barbarians who inhabit the same

continent with us。  And if the God were then to say to you again:  Here in

Europe is to be your seat of empire; and you must not cross over into Asia

or meddle with Asiatic affairs; I do not believe that you would choose to

live upon these terms; but the world; as I may say; must be filled with

your power and nameno man less than Cyrus and Xerxes is of any account

with you。  Such I know to be your hopesI am not guessing onlyand very

likely you; who know that I am speaking the truth; will reply; Well;

Socrates; but what have my hopes to do with the explanation which you

promised of your unwillingness to leave me?  And that is what I am now

going to tell you; sweet son of Cleinias and Dinomache。  The explanation

is; that all these designs of yours cannot be accomplished by you without

my help; so great is the power which I believe myself to have over you and

your concerns; and this I conceive to be the reason why the God has

hitherto forbidden me to converse with you; and I have been long expecting

his permission。  For; as you hope to prove your own great value to the

state; and having proved it; to attain at once to absolute power; so do I

indulge a hope that I shall be the supreme power over you; if I am able to

prove my own great value to you; and to show you that neither guardian; nor

kinsman; nor any one is able to deliver into your hands the power which you

desire; but I only; God being my helper。  When you were young (compare

Symp。) and your hopes were not yet matured; I should have wasted my time;

and therefore; as I conceive; the God forbade me to converse with you; but

now; having his permission; I will speak; for now you will listen to me。



ALCIBIADES:  Your silence; Socrates; was always a surprise to me。  I never

could understand why you followed me about; and now that you have begun to

speak again; I am still more amazed。  Whether I think all this or not; is a

matter about which you seem to have already made up your mind; and

therefore my denial will have no effect upon you。  But granting; if I must;

that you have perfectly divined my purposes; why is your assistance

necessary to the attainment of them?  Can you tell me why?



SOCRATES:  You want to know whether I can make a long speech; such as you

are in the habit of hearing; but that is not my way。  I think; however;

that I can prove to you the truth of what I am saying; if you will grant me

one little favour。



ALCIBIADES:  Yes; if the favour which you mean be not a troublesome one。



SOCRATES:  Will you be troubled at having questions to answer?



ALCIBIADES:  Not at all。



SOCRATES:  Then please to answer。



ALCIBIADES:  Ask me。



SOCRATES:  Have you not the intention which I attribute to you?



ALCIBIADES:  I will grant anything you like; in the hope of hearing what

more you have to say。



SOCRATES:  You do; then; mean; as I was saying; to come forward in a little

while in the character of an adviser of the Athenians?  And suppose that

when you are ascending the bema; I pull you by the sleeve and say;

Alcibiades; you are getting up to advise the Atheniansdo you know the

matter about which they are going to deliberate; better than they?How

would you answer?



ALCIBIADES:  I should reply; that I was going to advise them about a matter

which I do know better than they。



SOCRATES:  Then you are a good adviser about the things which you know?



ALCIBIADES:  Certainly。



SOCRATES:  And do you know anything but what you have learned of others; or

found out yourself?



ALCIBIADES:  That is all。



SOCRATES:  And would you have ever learned or discovered anything; if you

had not been willing either to learn of others or to examine yourself?



ALCIBIADES:  I should not。



SOCRATES:  And would you have been willing to learn or to examine what you

supposed that you knew?



ALCIBIADES:  Certainly not。



SOCRATES:  Then there was a time when you thought that you did not know

what you are now supposed to know?



ALCIBIADES:  Certainly。



SOCRATES:  I think that I know tolerably well the extent of your

acquirements; and you must tell me if I forget any of them:  according to

my recollection; you learned the arts of writing; of playing on the lyre;

and of wrestling; the flute
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