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inspiration。


  Ion。 That is good; Socrates; and yet I doubt whether you will ever


have eloquence enough to persuade me that I praise Homer only when I


am mad and possessed; and if you could hear me speak of him I am


sure you would never think this to be the case。


  Soc。 I should like very much to hear you; but not until you have


answered a question which I have to ask。 On what part of Homer do


you speak well?… not surely about every part。


  Ion。 There is no part; Socrates; about which I do not speak well


of that I can assure you。


  Soc。 Surely not about things in Homer of which you have no


knowledge?


  Ion。 And what is there in Homer of which I have no knowledge?


  Soc。 Why; does not Homer speak in many passages about arts? For


example; about driving; if I can only remember the lines I will repeat


them。


  Ion。 I remember; and will repeat them。


  Soc。 Tell me then; what Nestor says to Antilochus; his son; where he


bids him be careful of the turn at the horse…race in honour of


Patroclus。


  Ion。 He says:





  Bend gently in the polished chariot to the left of them; and urge


the horse on the right hand with whip and voice; and slacken the rein。


And when you are at the goal; let the left horse draw near; yet so


that the nave of the well…wrought wheel may not even seem to touch the


extremity; and avoid catching the stone。





  Soc。 Enough。 Now; Ion; will the charioteer or the physician be the


better judge of the propriety of these lines?


  Ion。 The charioteer; clearly。


  Soc。 And will the reason be that this is his art; or will there be


any other reason?


  Ion。 No; that will be the reason。


  Soc。 And every art is appointed by God to have knowledge of a


certain work; for that which we know by the art of the pilot we do not


know by the art of medicine?


  Ion。 Certainly not。


  Soc。 Nor do we know by the art of the carpenter that which we know


by the art of medicine?


  Ion。 Certainly not。


  Soc。 And this is true of all the arts;… that which we know with


one art we do not know with the other? But let me ask a prior


question: You admit that there are differences of arts?


  Ion。 Yes。


  Soc。 You would argue; as I should; that when one art is of one


kind of knowledge and another of another; they are different?


  Ion。 Yes。


  Soc。 Yes; surely; for if the subject of knowledge were the same;


there would be no meaning in saying that the arts were different;…


if they both gave the same knowledge。 For example; I know that here


are five fingers; and you know the same。 And if I were to ask


whether I and you became acquainted with this fact by the help of


the same art of arithmetic; you would acknowledge that we did?


  Ion。 Yes。


  Soc。 Tell me; then; what I was intending to ask you… whether this


holds universally? Must the same art have the same subject of


knowledge; and different arts other subjects of knowledge?


  Ion。 That is my opinion; Socrates。


  Soc。 Then he who has no knowledge of a particular art will have no


right judgment of the sayings and doings of that art?


  Ion。 Very true。


  Soc。 Then which will be a better judge of the lines which you were


reciting from Homer; you or the charioteer?


  Ion。 The charioteer。


  Soc。 Why; yes; because you are a rhapsode and not a charioteer。


  Ion。 Yes。


  Soc。 And the art of the rhapsode is different from that of the


charioteer?


  Ion。 Yes。


  Soc。 And if a different knowledge; then a knowledge of different


matters?


  Ion。 True。


  Soc。 You know the passage in which Hecamede; the concubine of


Nestor; is described as giving to the wounded Machaon a posset; as


he says;





  Made with Pramnian wine; and she grated cheese of goat's milk with a


grater of bronze; and at his side placed an onion which gives a relish


to drink。





Now would you say that the art of the rhapsode or the art of


medicine was better able to judge of the propriety of these lines?


  Ion。 The art of medicine。


  Soc。 And when Homer says;





  And she descended into the deep like a leaden plummet; which; set in


the horn of ox that ranges in the fields; rushes along carrying


death among the ravenous fishes;…





will the art of the fisherman or of the rhapsode be better able to


judge whether these lines are rightly expressed or not?


  Ion。 Clearly; Socrates; the art of the fisherman。


  Soc。 Come now; suppose that you were to say to me: 〃Since you;


Socrates; are able to assign different passages in Homer to their


corresponding arts; I wish that you would tell me what are the


passages of which the excellence ought to be judged by the prophet and


prophetic art〃; and you will see how readily and truly I shall


answer you。 For there are many such passages; particularly in the


Odyssey; as; for example; the passage in which Theoclymenus the


prophet of the house of Melampus says to the suitors:…





  Wretched men! what is happening to you? Your heads and your faces


and your limbs underneath are shrouded in night; and the voice of


lamentation bursts forth; and your cheeks are wet with tears。 And


the vestibule is full; and the court is full; of ghosts descending


into the darkness of Erebus; and the sun has perished out of heaven;


and an evil mist is spread abroad。





  And there are many such passages in the Iliad also; as for example


in the description of the battle near the rampart; where he says:…





  As they were eager to pass the ditch; there came to them an omen:


a soaring eagle; holding back the people on the left; bore a huge


bloody dragon in his talons; still living and panting; nor had he


yet resigned the strife; for he bent back and smote the bird which


carried him on the breast by the neck; and he in pain let him fall


from him to the ground into the midst of the multitude。 And the eagle;


with a cry; was borne afar on the wings of the wind。





  These are the sort of things which I should say that the prophet


ought to consider and determine。


  Ion。 And you are quite right; Socrates; in saying so。


  Soc。 Yes; Ion; and you are right also。 And as I have selected from


the Iliad and Odyssey for you passages which describe the office of


the prophet and the physician and the fisherman; do you; who know


Homer so much better than I do; Ion; select for me passages which


relate to the rhapsode and the rhapsode's art; and which the


rhapsode ought to examine and judge of better than other men。


  Ion。 All passages; I should say; Socrates。


  Soc。 Not all; Ion; surely。 Have you already forgotten what you


were saying? A rhapsode ought to have a better memory。


  Ion。 Why; what am I forgetting?


  Soc。 Do you not remember that you declared the art of the rhapsode


to be different from the art of the charioteer?


  Ion。 Yes; I remember。


  Soc。 And you admitted that being different they would have different


subjects of knowledge?


  Ion。 Yes。


  Soc。 Then upon your own showing the rhapsode; and the art of the


rhapsode; will not know everything?


  Ion。 I should exclude certain things; Socrates。


  Soc。 You mean to say that you would exclude pretty much the subjects


of the other arts。 As he does not know all of them; which of them will


he know?


  Ion。 He will know what a man and what a woman ought to say; and what


a freeman and what a slave ought to say; and what a ruler and what a


subject。


  Soc。 Do you mean that a rhapsode will know better than the pilot


what the ruler of a sea…tossed vessel ought to say?


  Ion。 No; the pilot will know best。


  Soc。 Or will the rhapsode know better than the physician what the


ruler of a sick man ought to say?


  Ion。 He will not。


  Soc。 But he will know what a slave ought to say?


  Ion。 Yes。


  Soc。 Suppose the slave to be a cowherd; the rhapsode will know


better than the cowherd what he ought to say in order to soothe the


infuriated cows?


  Ion。 No; he will not。


  Soc。 But he will know what a spinning…woman ought to say about the


working of wool?


  Ion。 No。


  Soc。 At any rate he will know
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